WELCOME TO YEAR SIX
In this IMMERSIVE online program we share methods of using signs, symbols, and systems on the journey towards self-discovery. We study & use a variety of intuitive guidance systems to elevate our personal journaling, spiritual, and creative practices. We believe that creative and sacred tools, when used intuitively & intentionally, can lead to deeper insights into who we've been, who we are, and who we can become.
This course is for all levels and types of journalers (art, visual, and written), writers, healers, guides, seekers, mystics, and light-workers. The content is designed with three kinds of students in mind: those who favor or want to use the written word, those who have a relationship with divination and the divine (or want to), and those who understand that we are all creative in our own way.
It's not just about tarot and oracle cards. And it doesn't matter if you've never used a tarot or oracle deck before, there will be plenty of opportunity to explore, learn, and grow.
While we will use Tarot and Oracle cards significantly in this course, we will also touch on, and incorporate, other ancient guidance systems (astrology, numerology, crystals, chakras, labyrinths, mandalas, human design, enneagram, and more).
NEW FOR 2022 -- Our Year of Implementing
2022 is our SIXTH YEAR of Pull Pen Paint and we intend to take you deeper into the processes and the practices. This year we want you to leave the program with more insights about how to establish personal rituals, routines, ceremonies, and practices to deepen the connection to all the parts of you and to the world around you. With FOUR VIRTUAL RETREATS, a quarterly book club, monthly implementation suggestions, create & chat sessions, study hall, power hours, and access to several 21-day practices, we invite you to:
- Try new things
- Stay curious
- See fear (and frustration) as opportunity
- Ask for feedback
- Fellowship with your shadow
- Master the art of self-discovery
- Repeat the process more than once
- Share your story
- Track your progress
- Integrate AND implement the learning
- Connect the dots
- Celebrate your challenges and your wins
and most of all, we want you to TRUST THE PROCESS!
Get started now!
VIRTUAL RETREAT STYLE EXPERIENCES
Again in 2022 we're hosting FOUR separate 3-Day Virtual Retreats. Each retreat will begin with opening the sacred container on Friday and continuing through Sunday early evening with live teaching, panel discussions, breakout rooms, sound healing, rituals, creative practice, and more.
Imagine traveling to a beautiful destination where you will spend 3 magic filled days with other seekers who are ready for discourse around topics that feel important, sacred, fun, creative, exciting, new, mystical, and esoteric, combined with interactive conversations on how to incorporate what we learn into our modern lives. Now, imagine not having to travel at all. That's what we are providing -- four times this year. No flights. No hotel rooms. No driving. These retreats will be right from the comfort of your home where you get to have all of your supplies handy, all of your decks to choose from, and your favorite bed to sleep in at the end of the day.
Each retreat centers around one of four elements (FIRE, AIR, EARTH, WATER) and all include the element of SPIRIT.
2022 RETREAT DATES
- March 18 - 20 -- Fire
- June 24 - 26 -- Air
- September 30 - October 2 -- Earth
- December 2 - 4 -- Water
We will use the time between the retreats (ETHER) to integrate, IMPLEMENT, and deepen our connection to the lessons, information, and practices. Participants will find support in the form of podcast style recordings, foundational lessons, and downloadable PDFs that ask you to reflect, notice, and observe your personal rituals and routines.
Create & Chat Sessions -- Virtual Live Sessions over the course of the year where we get together to create as a form of integration & implementation.
Study Sessions -- Virtual Live Sessions where we dive a little deeper into the content we've been exploring. It's a time to share where you are, what you've discovered, how you're navigating the content, and what progress you are seeing on your journey. This is also a time when we ask you to share any challenges and celebrate your wins.
Integrate & Implement Sessions -- This is new to 2022 and OPTIONAL. These additional opportunities to dive deeper into Astrology, Tarot/Oracle, Human Design, and Creativity will be offered for those who want to add a layer of depth to these areas of study. These OPTIONAL ADD-ONs will be available to PPP students at a discounted rate. We are excited to offer these four opportunities to spend time on focused subjects with the intention towards personal study, mastery, and exploring beyond the surface. Each session will offer lessons, activities, and creative ideas to connect us to the topics and the tools, and to help us see the content from another perspective and at a deeper level. We could call them intensives or immersions or quests because you'll be asked to step into the mystery and DO THE WORK.
The three main focuses in PPP are:
1. PULLING -- Learning to pull Tarot & Oracle Cards for creative exploration, self-study, and intuition training. This section also includes learning about other intuitive guidance systems like PULLING your astrology chart, your human design map, and your numerology blueprint. We organically include conversations about and connections to crystals, herbs, sacred geometry, chakras, goddesses, kitchen witchery, labyrinths, mandalas and more.
2. PENNING -- Explore written responses as a tool for going deeper with your personal practices. Written journaling helps you identify, reflect, excavate, embrace, emerge, and integrate. We will journal together, archive, document, and record our experiences using the cards (and other systems) for inquiry, and as guides. The lessons from the teachers will be invitations for all kinds of journaling. We write our SoulStories™ in the form of personal narratives, poetry, and short stories.
3. PAINTING -- Yup! That one is likely self explanatory, but it's important to know that, while we will use paint (of all kinds) to interpret our connection to the intuitive wisdom and the messages/answers living inside us, we also use the word "PAINT" here to mean creativity in general. We provide lessons that ask you to make things, draw/paint things, and create things. Sometimes those things are artistic or crafty, but they are always invitations for you to stretch yourself and get to know yourself more intentionally.
The program offers multiple opportunities for engagement and features the following:
- Video tutorials, lessons, and replays
- LIVE virtual sessions
- Daily prompts for journaling and creativity
- Inquiry-based activities, exercises, and inspiration
- Tutorials to help bring your full creative expression into the world (including how to make a handmade journal or two)
- A private Mighty Network group
- Virtual study sessions, creative chats, and healing circles with course creator, Kiala Givehand, and other guest teachers
- Lots of love, support, and encouragement
WHAT YOU GET WITH PULL PEN PAINT
Teachers provide masterful lessons from their areas of expertise, we complete the lessons, we share and fellowship in the discussion group and we repeat that each month. It has been a beautiful and amazing experience. You get access to:
- FOUNDATIONAL LIBRARY -- think of these lessons as the basic training for anyone taking Pull Pen Paint. In the library you will find more than 30 short lessons and activities to get you prepared and acclimated to how we navigate in this program. While several lessons will be in the classroom when you log in, many are rolled out over a series of months. The foundations give you a place to start if you join early and help you get grounded in some of the language and terminology of the program. It's also there to give you a place to reference when a more advanced lesson appears in the class. The foundational library is the FIRST thing we ask all students to consume in order to have a more powerful experience.
- DAILY PROMPTS -- each month participants receive daily prompts for card pulls, journaling/reflection, and creativity. These are designed to help you cultivate a daily practice that becomes ritual, sacred, and inspirational for the other parts of your life. Of course this is an OPTIONAL way to work with the tools. You can and should make this work for your life. There are also suggestions for weekly prompts.
LIVE SESSIONS -- the cornerstone of Pull Pen Paint are the live sessions that take place in our virtual sanctuary. During these powerful sessions, you get to meet some of your teachers "in person" and learn from them in real time. On these calls you hear, see, and chat with teachers and other community members as the lessons happen. It's one of the most magical elements of Pull Pen Paint and is quite honestly one of the things you have to experience in order to truly know what PPP is all about.
The 2022 live sessions are in the form of 3-day virtual retreats, Create & Chat sessions, study sessions, and OPTIONAL Integration & Implementation Sessions.
ALL CALLS ARE RECORDED and available to paid participants.
MONTHLY RECORDED CONTENT -- each month we will unlock recorded content from various teachers that have taught in PPP over the last five years and add one or two new recorded lessons. The recordings are NOT downloadable, but you have access to them until the classroom closes on March 1, 2023.
This content covers topics under the categories of pulling, penning, and painting. There will, from time-to-time, be audio recordings, interviews, and other snack sized content to help you with integrating and implementing what you learn at the virtual retreats.
- MONTHLY STUDY SESSIONS -- because this program is designed to help you INTEGRATE & IMPLEMENT these teachings into your life as a way to effect favorable change, we will gather once a month to review the lessons, ask questions of the lessons, share what the teachings unearthed, and be in conversation as community members doing similar work. The sessions happen near the end of each month and are recorded and placed in the classroom as AUDIO ONLY. These are NOT downloadable.
- PRIVATE ONLINE DISCUSSION SPACE -- between live calls and study sessions, we gather and share in our private Mighty Network. You don't have to be in the network, but it is an added element to your personal growth and community connections. Kiala plans to be visible in the group as a way to be in conversation about the topics and to share a variety of "in the moment" insights. Teachers will often be available for chatting during the weeks leading up to their session and a couple of weeks after. This allows them to share their love of the work we are doing and to give you insights or behind the scenes peeks at their personal rituals and routines. The group gives you the opportunity to be a part of something larger than yourself. It helps you be in conversation with others who are working towards a common goal. It's a way to build mastery and skills in a safe space. It is also a place to come when you need to navigate challenges. And of course it's a place where we foster curiosity. But most of all, it's a place for you to build relationships with others beyond the retreats and live sessions.
And because we have so many students who are ready for more...
We created the Pull Pen Paint Retreat experience to help support a deeper journey that includes -- contextual content, support, and opportunities for interaction with the group, the teachers, and the tools.
This Year Everyone also gets...
⨁ Priority Access to online events/classes taught by Kiala outside of Pull Pen Paint 2022
⨁ 22% off all of Kiala's classes purchased after enrollment in PPP 2022
⨁ Exclusive podcast style recordings to enhance each lesson in foundations and 2022
⨁ Quarterly integration activities and live show & share sessions
⨁ Mystical BOOKBINDING tutorials from Kiala
⨁ A 52-Day Tarot Study Collaborative Mini-Course from Kristen & Kiala
⨁ Additional bonuses, discounts, and resources from some of our 2022 teachers
"This course is satisfying on many levels. Creative expression. Community connection. Intuitive development. It satisfies my desire for creative expression. With the variety of teachers I always receive a completely new way of creating or an idea for how to approach my art, writing, and intuition from a different perspective that lights me up in a whole new way. Most importantly, the journey through this course has given me a keepsake in my journal and art pages. Documenting my life in this way helps make the memories, lessons, and growth more notable. I have grown more in tune with my true self and feel more joyful expressing who I am in the world as a result of learning about myself with the information shared in PPP."
- Ebonee, Natural Hair Stylist & Reiki Practicioner
"This course tied in all that I have studied and been fascinated with since I could read. It provided a safe place to discuss such things as well. The live events were fantastic. You curated a superb panel of teachers. Blending art with all of it, brilliant. It was one of the most authentic and magical spaces I have been apart of in a very long time."
- Julie Baker, CreativelyOnward.com
(A three time PPP Student)
"PPP has awakened my creativity as well as made me dive into thinking about and discovering aspects of myself I would have never thought of in day to day passing. I have learned and grown so much over the past three/four years through the community, the offerings and the art. I can honestly say being a part of PPP has had a large part in understanding myself and shaping who I am today through the processes. The community alone is amazing and it's so much fun."
- Chrystyna, Musician & Artist
Over the course of the year, you will have the opportunity to connect with and learn from a variety of teachers. Below is a list of the teachers and their areas of expertise. For the retreats, you will get a full line-up a few weeks before we gather. At the start of each month, you will be reminded and provided with the lessons that will happen between retreats. This fluidity allows for us to serve you best and make sure the content we provide is relevant and helpful.
CLICK HERE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT YOUR TEACHERS
Here are your teachers (after Kiala they are in first name alpha order -- not in photo order). Teachers in bold are our Core Teachers for 2022. Teachers with an asterisk will be teaching for their SIXTH year in PPP.
- Kiala Givehand -- Pull Pen Paint Course Creator, Bookbinder, Poet & Intuitive Reader
- Ashley Raasch (Galactic Ashley) -- High Vibrational Energy Channel
- Carina Nickerson -- Mindfulness Mentor
- Christa Forrest -- Portrait Artist & Creative Soul
- Clarinda Mann -- Astrocartographer & Human Design Specialist
- Consie Sindet -- Creative Mentor & Teacher
- Damon Givehand -- Yogi, Mystic, & Author
- Erin Orion Abbott-Haines -- Soul Doula, Priestess, & Fiber Artist
- Gabrielle Anna Cormier -- Mixed Media Artist & Empathic Healer
- Ivy Newport -- Artist & Creative Guide
- Jamie Sawyer -- Artist & Deck Creatrix
- Jennifer Lucero-Earle -- Somatic Alchemist & Creator of ArcanaDance™
- Joanna Powell Colbert -- Sacred Artist & Soul Guide
- Julia Eve* -- Intuitive Tarot Reader
- Kayce Hughlett -- Author & SoulStroller
- Kristen Radden* -- Creatrix & Instructor
- Lezli Censullo -- Astrologer & Tarot Teacher
- Lisa de St. Croix -- Visionary Art Maker & Deck Creator
- Michelle Rene Robinson -- 7 Jewels Soul Journey Guide
- Nancy Hendrickson -- Ancestral Tarot Guide and Author
- Rachel Torda -- Watercolor Artist, Creator of The Flow Tarot, & Writer
- Stacy Ann Maskell -- Priestess of Kindness, Empathy, and Service
- Suzanne M. Talleur -- Enneagram Guide
- Vanessa Oliver-Lloyd -- Art Witch & Archeologist
- Dr. Vanessa Sage, PhD* -- Priestess, Poet, Anthropologist
- Whitney Freya -- Artist & Creatively Fit Coach
THE GENERAL OUTLINE FOR RETREAT WEEKENDS
FRIDAY -- Retreat Day & Opening Ceremony
For each retreat we begin with an Opening Ceremony on the Friday of the retreat. Friday during the day will consist of two - three sessions with Kiala and various teachers. All sessions will be recorded separately and made available in the classroom at the end of the day.
EVERYONE is invited to OPEN STUDIO time from 6pm to 7pm Central on the Friday of the Retreat.
SATURDAY -- Retreat Day
During this day we gather and learn together in INTERACTIVE sessions led by lovingly-selected guest teachers. The schedule you see below is an EXAMPLE of how the day may flow, but we will send out the official agenda of sessions a few weeks before the retreat, along with a supply list, and details of what to have on hand.
Sunday -- Retreat Day Three
Sunday will flow similarly to Saturday with a closing ceremony the last hour of the day. We will close the container of the retreat but continue to connect in our Mighty Network private group space. This is when the INTEGRATING & IMPLEMENTING begins.
Let's talk about the time commitment:
We are hyper aware of the amount of time many of us spend sitting in front of a computer screen, especially for those still quarantining and working from home. So please know that as long as the technology doesn't fail us, all sessions will be recorded individually and placed in the classroom by the end of each day. You are free to opt out of attending any and all live sessions. You should also give yourself permission to listen off camera from your couch, back porch, or bed.
This is YOUR RETREAT EXPERIENCE.
What does a year of implementing really look like?
Pull Pen Paint 2021 was a year where we asked our students to immerse themselves in the process of self-discovery more than they might have done in the past. We asked them to think of 2021 as their INTEGRATION year in all things PPP.
This year, we are doing the same thing AND adding practical ways that we can begin navigating the world with this information, these rituals, and the plethora of activities our teachers bring to the program. This is the year we put theory into practice. We INTEGRATE & IMPLEMENT by making a commitment to DO THE WORK of self-inquiry and personal accountability.
That means if you are new to Pull Pen Paint this year, you will dig into the content and use the time between retreats to dive into what the information actually means for your life. You'll start to notice synchronicities and serendipitous moments when you are being asked to live in profound awareness of your gifts, talents, and passions.
Integration looks like building your skills in one or more areas by practicing, repeating, and connecting dots to other things you have already mastered. It feels like confidence building. Implementation feels like standing in your truth.
IMPLEMENTATION looks like living out the skills, speaking them, and DOING them in service of your highest good and the highest good of all others. It feels like Divine assignment.
Integration looks like being vulnerable enough to ask for help, guidance, and support from the community of seekers when you need to navigate a challenging area of content. It feels like becoming the most authentic version of yourself.
IMPLEMENTATION looks and feels like owning your power, not just saying you own your power.
Integration looks like being and staying curious. It feels like intentional & healthy growth.
IMPLEMENTATION looks like allowing your curiosity to guide you to your "what's next". It feels like a magical quest back to yourself.
Integration looks like building relationships with others in the community in order to gain greater perspectives on how to deepen your relationship to and with yourself. It feels like finding your place in the collective.
IMPLEMENTATION looks like taking the relationships to the next level by studying together, sharing resources and information freely, and listening deeply. It feels like being seen, heard, and valued for your lived experience.
Integration looks like attending the sessions and DOING THE WORK before, during, and after. It feels like investing in yourself.
IMPLEMENTATION looks like reflecting on each session weeks after the retreat, repeating the activities and exercises, sharing in the private group how these lessons are showing up in your life each day, week, or month. It feels like expansion and transformation.
INTEGRATION & IMPLEMENTATION look like you...becoming whole, authentic, and favorably transformed -- not because you did the lessons, but because you LIVED them. It feels like loving yourself unconditionally.
How deep are you willing to go to find yourself, your truth, and your power?
StartWelcome From Course Creator, Kiala Givehand (16:15)
StartCOMMUNITY GUIDELINES (20:43)
Start2022 Master Calendar
PreviewMeet Your 2022 Talented Teachers
StartAccessing The Mighty Network Discussion Area (22:33)
StartAbout the Foundational Lessons
StartBONUSES - Check Here Often
StartFND LESSON 01: Freeing & Facing the Inner Critic
StartFND LESSON 02: Journaling Freely
StartFND LESSON 03: Psychic vs. Intuitive with Kristen Radden (160:00)
StartFND LESSON 04: Picking A Journal (22:33)
StartFND LESSON 05: Make a Handmade Journal (54:24)
StartFND LESSON 06: Setting Intentions (19:20)
StartFND LESSON 07: Setting Up For Daily Prompts (43:25)
StartFND LESSON 08: New To Astrology? Start HERE!
StartFND LESSON 09: PULL Your Natal Chart (30:41)
StartFND LESSON 10: Anatomy of Your Natal Chart (14:02)
StartFND LESSON 11: Your Primal Triad (16:24)
StartFND LESSON 12: Intro to Human Design (72:52)
StartFND LESSON 13: Building Your Tarot Team (10:42)
StartFND LESSON 14: Interviewing Your Deck (43:52)
StartLOOK HERE >>PRE-RETREAT INFO
StartPRE-RETREAT - The Lovers Card with Lezli Censullo
StartMarch Retreat Details
StartMarch Cosmic Conversation with Kiala & Clarinda
StartFND LESSON 15: Elemental Hygiene with Erin Orion - FIRE
StartFND LESSON 16: Meet St. Hildegard of Bingen with Rachel Torda (107:15)
StartFND LESSON 17: SoulStrolling With Kayce Hughlett
StartMarch Daily Prompts
StartSpring Equinox Card Spread / Prompts
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 1 Opening Ceremony (98:56)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 1 Vedic Chanting with Damon
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 1 Meet St. Hildegard of Bingen with Rachel Torda (64:08)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 1 Exploring the Lovers Card with Lezli Censullo (65:29)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 1 Connecting Dots & Sharing Circle (96:26)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 1 Final Session (39:34)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 2 Opening and Panel Discussion (99:15)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 2 Energy Centers with Erin Orion (103:38)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 2 Embodied Mindfulness with Carina Nickerson (73:23)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 2 Yes-No Questions with Kristen Radden (116:49)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 3 Opening Card Activity (68:17)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 3 - Medicine for Your Mindset with Damon Givehand (89:03)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 3 Intro to Shadow Work with Kiala Givehand (81:48)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 3 Devotion with Kayce Hughlett (95:14)
StartRETREAT REPLAY - Day 3 Closing (27:35)
StartFND LESSON 18: Mandala Mapping with Kiala (48:18)
StartCREATE & CHAT with Kiala - 10 Ways to Begin (130:37)
StartHealing Circle 1 - March 26
"I’m also consistently amazed and humbled by talented and nurturing students in PPP that I am honored to share space with. So many talented people, and I feel like I learn just as much from my fellow classmates as I do the classes. The PPP community has a beautiful “eternal student” mindset. Everyone is learning. No one’s got it all figured out! If you ask for help, a half-dozen people answer back. Because of this welcoming environment, I’ve participated more in the PPP community than I have in any other online art community. And I’ve made some dear and long-lasting friendships through this amazing group. It’s truly a gift."
- Rachel T., Artist, Writer, & PPP 2022 Core Teacher
(A member of the Pull Pen Paint Circle of Elders)
"This is an excellent course for anyone who wants to take their art and spiritual practice beyond the realm of basic, mainstream thinking. The lessons help you connect to your soul in ways that you may never do otherwise. I say take this class. I'll see you there!"
- Melissa S., Seeker of Magic
(A PPP Student in 2017, 2019, & 2020)
"Upon finishing my first year with PPP it is hard to put into words the number of areas that I have grown. I have followed Kiala’s journal/book making for a number of years, I love all the different ways and techniques she gifts us with. Kiala along with some guest teachers have introduced me to the wonders of; a gratitude practice, astrology, numerology, symbolism, SoulCollage® and using Tarot and Oracle cards. The friendships I have made and being a part of this community really helped make the year of 2020 with its challenges from a pandemic, a good year. Thank you Kiala and PPP!"
- Melody H., Artist & PPP 2021 & 2022 Community Mentor
What other PPP participants have said about PPP...
"I don't understand how it just keeps getting better every year. Thank you Kiala and team PPP. I'll see you in 2021." (A 2020 participant)
"Kiala you and PPP made 2020 bearable. Thank you." (A 2020 participant)
"I had no idea there was so much information in the world pointing me to all the answers I've always felt to be true. This year in PPP has given me hope and the possibility that my life can get better. I know myself in ways I never thought possible or even knew mattered. And I learned that I don't need to be afraid of my shadow." (A 2020 participant)
"On the first call I heard Kiala say, "You can't make this stuff up." and I did not know what she meant. Now, I say it almost daily when I pull cards or journal. There are little sparkles of light that I ignored but thanks to Pull Pen Paint I don't take anything as a coincidence. The coincidences are just too powerful. Thank you to the teachers for fabulous lessons that led me back to my own creative practice that I long abandoned more than 30 years ago. I am a forever fan of this community." (A 2020 participant)
"Seriously, I don't know how anyone made it through 2020 without Pull Pen Paint. This class was my saving grace. I knew I could come in to zoom and be seen and heard if I wanted or just leave my camera off and listen. I knew I could cry, laugh, or scream and no one would think I was off my rocker. It's the one class I stayed connected to for the full year. It was a lifeline in the storm that was 2020." (A 2020 participant)
"Take a card deck, journal, and paint, add teachers who feel what they do deeply, blend in Kiala's elf and hummingbird energy, and sprinkle fairy dust on top -- that's Pull Pen Paint." (A 2017 participant)
"Great class using tarot, oracle cards, journaling, art and great people all sharing." (A 2019 participant)
"This was my first year in PPP and I felt like I found my long lost family. These women get me. Kiala is an amazing sacred space creator. She knows how to help each of us tap into our personal power using cards, astrology, and art. I've been sitting alone in my studio for years wanting a community like this. Now I'm in for life." (A 2019 participant)
"I really enjoyed all the sharing from the group. I also really love the art lessons." (A 2017 participant)
"I enjoyed learning more about the cards, going deeper with them, really using them as an ally and guide as we navigate through life. The study sessions were informative and I love that they were recorded, because it’s not always possible for me to join in live." (A 2018 participant)
"This class changed my life. I know that sounds big, but it really helped me come out of my shell around using tarot and oracle cards for my creative life, for journaling, and for learning to listen to my own voice for guidance. I am thrilled to know there are so many others in the world who are doing the kinds of things I have dreamt of doing for so long. In short, I've found a community where I can be me in every way." (A 2019 participant)
"This was my second year in PPP and I wasn't sure I could go deeper than I had in 2017, but I was wrong. The teachers are magical and Kiala is the most gracious and generous hostess you can imagine. She brings us all together beautifully and invites us to go deep. I can't wait for 2019." (A 2018 participant)
"This class will change your life. It will guide you to the edge of the cliff and support you while you step forward. The community is sacred. The lessons are mystical gems with the power to heal. I am forever grateful to this group for giving me my wings, more clarity, and a stronger connection to my soul." (A 2019 participant)